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Is transhumanism a “Religion”?

Or “Ways of coping with the realities of life”

We live in an odd world. At its best, life can be great: I’m thinking of my first kiss, the day I learned I had got into my chosen university, the day I learned that I had earned a first class exam result. But life is seldom this good. Most often it is crowded with minor annoyances, and sometimes fairly major personal disasters. I remember well the shock and horror when, aged 17, I learned that my father was dead. Life is often unfair, and even the best moral philosophers cannot decide what ought to count as right or wrong. On top of all this, most people believe that their lives will end in the ultimate tragedy – their own death. How do we cope with such a world?

In general, when things go very badly for you – i.e. when the realities of life depart significantly from your conception of what is good or intrinsically valuable about life, you have three [psychologically tenable] options or “resolution strategies”.

Strategy #1: You can try to go out into the world and change things so that whatever is bad no longer occurs. For example, you could try to arrest and reverse human aging, or you could invest in a cryonics insurance policy. Clearly this option is not always available – sometimes the bad thing is not removable, like if a loved one has already died and been put in the earth for worms to eat.

Strategy #2: You can change your perception of what is valuable and what is not. For example, people often say they are “at peace” with their own mortality – which means that they have decided to strongly de-value their own continued existence. Mantras like “death is natural” and “it’s all part of the circle of life” are indicative of this response.

Strategy #3: You can delude yourself – this means that you keep your perceptions of value as they are, but you change your perception of what reality is like. You change your epistemological or factual beliefs to make it appear that the bad thing is not there, or so that some action can remove it. An example of this is a Christian who thinks to herself “If I believe in God, then I can still see my darling again when I go to heaven, therefore I will believe in God”. Map-Territory distinction failure has occurred.


At the end of the day, it is psychologically unhealthy not to interpret the "big picture" in an optimistic way. The alternative - to take a pessimistic view on the ultimate questions in life - leads to a sour, cynical outlook where one's only source of validation is to try and destroy other people's hopes and dreams; a kind of schadenfreude. So you have to pick one of the above options for each major discrepancy between what you want life to be like, and what it is actually like. Furthermore, a religious/political meme will succeed or fail to the extent that it helps people to resolve this issue.

Now I come to Giulio Prisco’s recent post Transhumanism, religion and Raelians over on Transhumanar. I quote [my bold]:


"I want our ideas to reach as many people as possible, in a clear and understandable way. Why? Because our worldview can give a sense of meaning of life, a vision of our place in the universe, peace and happiness. This has been the historic function of the world’s great religions and monolithic ideologies that, on the other hand, are now finally beginning to show some fatigue and soon will be completely unable to persuade people more and more culturally sophisticated and used to the scientific worldview. We should not forget that these are still a minority, but the trend is clear....

We cannot deny that the great world’s religions have managed, and quite well, to reach the masses. Religions’ success is due to the fact that they offer an answer to the nightmare of death. Yes, your loved one are dead, and sooner or later you will also die, but you will meet again in heaven. This is a *very* powerful meme as the penetration of religion demonstrates."

Giulio and I are clearly on the same wavelength here. He “gets it” – the power of the meme depends on it’s ability to help people resolve the conflicts between their expectations about life [I like my father and want to be with him!] and the realities of life [my father is rotting in a graveyard].

"I am very interested in the current experimental activities to create ‘transhumanist religions’, based on science, but still able to offer hope in ‘another life’ "

Exactly! This, I feel, is the essence of the transhumanist project. We resolve the discrepancy between reality and expectation by science and engineering. We will go out, and we will use the most powerful tools that mankind has ever invented – the tools of science and rational thinking – to reshape the world so that it is more like what we want it to be. But lastly, Guilio says something that worries me:

"... even for those who are already dead".

People who are already dead (and not frozen) are almost certainly information theoretically dead. Everything that we know about science, all of our rational thoughts tell us that they are gone forever, gone in a mathematical sense, and that no technology (of any level) can bring them back. So what does Giulio mean? I hope this is a mistake which he will retract, rather than a suggestion that we engage in strategy #3: delusion.

For me, the difference between strategies #1, #2, and #3 represent the differences between transhumanism (the go-getters), nihilism (the “I don’t care” crowd) and traditional religion (the global self-delusion network). There is no situation that I can think of that warrants self-delusion. Why? Self-delusion is the ultimate poison of rational action. Once you’ve twisted your view of reality, you will start taking actions that actually make things even worse (although you won’t realize it!). The errors will cause you to further delude yourself, which will make things worse still.

Take my personal tragedy. My father died in 2002 – in the 21st century. And yet he was put in the ground for organic decay to finish the job. Why did we not freeze him? Because most of my family – and most of the rest of the country (Croatia) in which he died are firmly deluded that they will meet him in heaven. If it weren’t for this global delusion, I strongly suspect that cryonics would be much more common and socially acceptable, and there is a chance that my father would be safely inside a Dewar of liquid nitrogen today. The original problem – irreversible death – for which the delusion (heaven) was created has been partially vanquished, but now the delusion itself perpetuates the problem.

And on top of this, the delusion creates new problems. The scientific theory of evolution disagrees with the content of Christianity, which creates a new discrepancy between reality and the Christian conception of what is valuable. Certain individuals in America have decided that the best way to deal with this is another application of strategy #3: they are beginning to delude themselves about the way science works – creating institutions which systematically roll back the scientific progress that has so carefully accumulated over the last few hundred years.

I hope it is clear why transhumanism must not go down the road of iterated self-delusion. The bitter medicine of unbiased, rational thought is the only way out of our problems. On the question “Is transhumanism a Religion?”, I would say that transhumanism is like a religion in that it helps people to cope with the realities of life, but unlike a religion in that it must doggedly stick to rational, unbiased assessments of reality.

Perhaps the best terminology comes from Wesley J Smith: transhumanism is a quasi-religion: we use the tools of science and engineering to make the world better, and we spread the idea that rational thought and ethical application of technology will solve our problems far more effectively than self-delusion. [He was attempting to use the term in a derisory way, but if you remove it from his negative frame, I believe it is accurate].

25 comments:

Richard Leis, Jr. said...

Great post. Transhumanism as a religion, or even a quasi-religion, worries me for some of the reasons you outline above. Transhumanism could hijack those same routes into the brain that religion uses, but to what result? A dogma of transhumanism? An adherence to transhumanist values based on faith?

That is why I prefer to think of transhumanism as a philosophy or social movement. Both imply some amount of study and rational thought required to grasp the subject at hand. Transhumanism in this way seems more like something you have to work for, something that is open to constructive criticism, something that is not accepted on faith.

giulio said...

Hi Roko,

Re "something that worries me:

"... even for those who are already dead".

People who are already dead (and not frozen) are almost certainly information theoretically dead. Everything that we know about science, all of our rational thoughts tell us that they are gone forever, gone in a mathematical sense, and that no technology (of any level) can bring them back. So what does Giulio mean? I hope this is a mistake which he will retract, rather than a suggestion that we engage in strategy #3: delusion".

It is not a typo or mistake, yet I do not consider it as engading in strategy #3: delusion.

People who are already dead (and not frozen) are indeed information theoretically dead, but perhaps someday scientists will find a way to extract high resolution information from the past and "copy to the future" the dead. Note that this does not necessarily require logical paradoxes. This meme is not delusional as long as one acknowledges that this speculative possibility is by no means certain.

See also this blog.

I am signed for cryonics with the CI and hope to live to see things happening, yet many things can go wrong, technical things but also and especially legal and political obstacles. Let's say that I consider this way of seeing things as a useful mental strategy to cope with uncertainty.

Roko said...

@ Giulio: Interesting - I didn't realize that "copying information from the past to the future" was such a popular idea. From the blog post you linked to:

"To that end, we dedicate ourselves to finding a way one day to bring back all persons who have ever lived, so they can join in our eternal adventure”... Universal immortalists do not propose any specific engineering approach to resurrection, but consider it as an objective that future technology may be able to achieve, someday, based on future scientific advances."

I think there are fundamental problems with this approach, [which I may blog about next week] but I'm happy with the way you've framed it there - there's an acknowledgment that it might not work at all, which helps to steer it away from wishful thinking.

The problem I'm referring to is an information theoretic one. In order to resurrect a dead person, you need to somehow go back to your own past and measure their state to get at the information which was lost when they died, so you have to deal with all the problems and paradoxes of time travel.

Roko said...

@Richard Leis: Thanks ;-)

As far as religion, faith and dogma are concerned, I hear you!

It is, however, a well kept secret that most people believe things because believing those things makes them feel good, rather than because they have gone through a dispassionate examination of the evidence.

Knowing this, we have to make transhumanism behave like a religion in what it does for people psychologically, otherwise we'll stay small. This is unfortunate, but such is human nature. Look at the WTA fundraising campaign : we're still on $15,000, compared to the catholic church which probably has around 1 million times that amount to play with.

IConrad said...

"In order to resurrect a dead person, you need to somehow go back to your own past and measure their state to get at the information which was lost when they died, so you have to deal with all the problems and paradoxes of time travel."

This is, in fact, not true at all. All that is necessary is the ability to observe the past, not to interact with it. Imagine, for a second, that Hawking's Entropic Cascade Arrow is a non-fixed property within M-Theory branes. This then yields the possibility that one could use a "temporally perpendicular" brane as a sort of lense through which one could observe different points in our time without physically entering them.

After that, all you need is the capacity to reconstruct objects from molecular-level resolutions, assuming Monistic Cognitive theory is accurate and the brain is a purely Newtonian device.

Roko said...

@Iconrad: "Hawking's Entropic Cascade Arrow is a non-fixed property within M-Theory branes"

Either you're bullshitting, or you're a better physicst than me. I've never heard of "Hawking's Entropic Cascade Arrow", and it returns zero hits on google scholar.

"All that is necessary is the ability to observe the past, not to interact with it."

- this will sound silly to anyone who knows any quantum mechanics. You can't observe a quantum system with entangling your own wavefunction with it - which is exactly the problem!

giulio said...

Re "Interesting - I didn't realize that "copying information from the past to the future" was such a popular idea."

I wouldn't say "popular", but it is certainly an idea that has ocurred to many thinkers. This idea _should_ be popular because it provides one with a sort of "mental insurance policy" like religion, without being incompatible with the scientific worldview and curent scientific knowledge.

Iconrad is correct that all that is necessary is the ability to observe the past (with sufficiently high resolution). This does not imply any grandfather paradox - also note that if the MWI is correct there is no grandfather paradox anyway.

I also have never heard of the Hawking's Entropic Cascade Arrow.

Marika said...

I'd like to question a few of the things you say about Christianity and belief in God. Firstly, I'd question how much it's true that Christian believe in God and in the afterlife because it makes them feel better about the world - I'm sure that's true of some people, but it's certainly not true of me, and it's not true of any of the people I know who believe in God. For me, belief in God and Christianity aren't the easy way out, and they don't make the world more comfortable - quite the opposite. Most of the hardest and most uncomfortable decisions I've made, and the biggest risks and sacrifices I've taken have been as a result of my belief in God.

I'd also, similarly, like to question the opposition you seem to make between "traditional religion" and engaging with the world to change it. For all Christianity's often horrendous record of bad behaviour religiously motivated, there's also a pretty impressive record of social engagement and activism, and real and determined efforts to work with what's wrong in the world to put it right.

A popular theme in theology at the moment is the idea of the "kingdom of God" - the everything-put-right state that we hope for ultimately. But the kingdom isn't something that we wait passively for, or that will come independently of our actions - it's something that the Church is called to work for and to bring into the world now. Believing something about the world and having hope for the future doesn't (or shouldn't) mean disengagement, but rather an impetus for acting in the world to bring the hoped-for future into the now. Not, it seems to me, entirely dissimilar to transhumanism.

Roko said...

"Firstly, I'd question how much it's true that Christian believe in God and in the afterlife because it makes them feel better about the world - I'm sure that's true of some people, but it's certainly not true of me..."

I have yet to meet a Christian who is willing to admit this.

I had a very amusing argument with a fairly well educated christian who INSISTED that he believed in Christianity because the evidence had led him there. When I got into falsifiability, the problem of evil and suffering, the innate human tendency to invent religions [we're on about 10,000 if I recall correctly], he got all angry and went off in a huff.

[ see http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/07/making-beliefs-.html ]

However, I will come out and say that my decision to focus on possible futures where transhumanist predictions come true is partially motivated by the fact that it makes me feel better about life. Not wholly, mind you - but from a strictly rational point of view, I would say that the probability of humanity achieving a positive singularity is not close to 1, although it's not close to zero either.

Like Giulio says, it's a kind of "mental health insurance".

The difference, I think, is how much you pay [in terms of irrationality] for that insurance.

Roko said...

sorry, broken link there -

this is the correct link.

Roko said...

@marika: "I'd also, similarly, like to question the opposition you seem to make between "traditional religion" and engaging with the world to change it ...

Not, it seems to me, entirely dissimilar to transhumanism."

Well, many Christians engange with the world in an attempt to change it, I just claim that the deep irrationalities of christianity mean that it's one step forward, two steps back.

For example, the catholic church goes to Africa, and tells people in AIDS infested areas not to wear comdoms when they have sex! Or, as another example, Christians in America spend a lot of time and money teaching "intelligent design" because that agrees better with their beliefs. Who cares about scientific progress, eh?

Now I can see why they do this. If you actually believe what it says in the bible, these are the correct actions to take. If an African dies of AIDS but did obey god's command to not waste the seed, then (s)he will go to heaven for the rest of eternity. What matter is a lifetime of suffering compared to eternity in heaven?

Of course not all Christians do this kind of thing - some Christians actually manage to do good things. But then they are acting in spite of their Religious beliefs, not because of them.

IConrad said...

Sorry for not getting back to you in so long.

As to the arrow of entropic cascade -- that was really more of a verbal prestidigitation. Hawking's Arrow of Time + Entropy as the demarcation for the arrow of time = Entropic Cascade Arrow.

As to your follow-up point about quantum mechanics -- please note that I was discussing molecular level resolution. Not sub-atomic, which is where quantum mechanics do not "factor out". Also, the psi-wave collapse phenomenon requires that the process of observation be a physical interaction with the event. If we discern a means of observation without interaction, we //do not know// at this time if this would result in the same psi-wave collapse: all we know is that the precise Planck-time location would be a non-discernable property in anything but wave-form.

But, of course, that would be wholly sufficient for "information resurrection."

So from a "physicists' conjecture" standpoint, the concept in question is sound, but pretty damned "iffy".

Roko said...

@ IConrad: No problem! I've been pretty busy today too. I'm curious: why do you use the word "cascade"? Couldn't you just say "entropic arrow of time"? Also, Hawking's paper that you linked to seems unrelated to what we are discussing. He's talking about a relation between increasing entropy and the expanding universe. But anyway...

Now, to the "meat" of the matter. You said:

"If we discern a means of observation without interaction... "

If you could do that, the whole of quantum mechanics would be wrong. You could violate Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, for example, by observing a particle's momentum and then it's position. The whole point of QM is that you can't observe a system without interacting with it.

I would not say this is a sound idea - any more than, say, creationism is sound. Sure, evolution by natural selection COULD be wrong, or QM COULD be wrong, but I would not want to go down that road based only on wishful thinking, and in the face of a mountain of scientific evidence. I think if you entertain serious thoughts that the whole of QM could be wrong, just because you like the idea of Universal Immortalism, you're making a mistake which is almost exactly the same as (one might even say "isomorphic to") the mistake that anti-evolutionists and intelligent design proponents are making.

cronodas said...

The Uncertainty Principle is often described as being the result of the observer effect - that the act of measuring disturbs the system in fundamentally unpredictable ways. Particles have position and momentum, but we just can't know what they are.

This is flat-out wrong.

The Uncertainty Principle exists because, in the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics, arbitrary precise position and momentum do not exist at all. It can be derived from the QM definitions of position and momentum as applied to the Schroedinger Wave Equation. The math is basically impossible to explain in a blog comment (it's related to Fourier transforms), but it made sense when I read the math in the optional section of my "Elementary Modern Physics" textbook.

Roko said...

@Cronodas: yes, that is one way of putting it. I've done a few physics courses, [my degree is in mathematics and physics] so I know what you're referring to.

In terms of fourier transforms, the wavefunction in position space Psi(x) is related to the wavefunction PsiBar(p) in momentum space by the fourier transform.

Psi(x) = Integral [PsiBar(p) e^ipx/h] dp

Since the fourier transform of a delta function is a sine wave that's spread out all over the real line, if you have exact position information, you must have complete uncertainty about the particle's momentum, and vice-versa.

Now I wouldn't say that the observer effect is "flat out wrong".

I would question your statement that "arbitrarily precise position and momentum do not exist" Clearly they do, because I can measure a particle's momentum to any desired degree of precision. I just can't simultaneously measure position and momentum to arbitrarily high precision.

Not that I'm condoning any kind of hidden variable theory here. Quantum mechanical observables don't have a value until you measure them [as bell's inequality and the experimental verifications thereof show], but position, once measured, really does have a value, and you can get it as precisely as you want.

I'm starting to regret mentioning QM... this is turning into QM remedial class..

Marika said...

I feel like if you're going to comment on Christianity with the hope of changing people's minds about it, you need to have a less simplistic and naive view of what it involves, and perhaps a better grasp of some of its basic principles. To argue that opposition to contraception is an obvious and straightforward interpretation of the Bible whereas, say, caring for the poor and disenfranchised, strikes me as displaying a pretty serious lack of knowledge of what the Bible even says, let alone a failure to understand how religious texts function within communities, or even of how any given text functions when it is read by people. I'm not saying that Christianity isn't open to criticism, or that the Bible isn't a difficult text, but I'd argue that if you're going to criticise Christianity, you need a slightly more sophisticated grasp of how religion, texts, people and doctrine actually work. You're not going to convince me that your position is well-reasoned, logical, or rational by facile and sweeping dismissals like: "some Christians actually manage to do good things. But then they are acting in spite of their Religious beliefs, not because of them."

IConrad said...

> I'm curious: why do you use the
> word "cascade"? Couldn't you just
> say "entropic arrow of time"?

I've come to think of time as the direction of entropic decay; the direction entropy 'cascades', or is greater, along the dimension.

In conversations like this, it helps to keep the mindset "accurate" by avoiding conventional terms like "time".


> If you could do that, the whole
> of quantum mechanics would be
> wrong.

It is possible to observe the location of a molecule without knowing the location of all particles within it. In molecular scale, the quantum uncertainty principle effectively does not exist.

I was positing that you only need a molecular-resolution scan to accurately reproduce a human brain. (That's what all that with Monistic Cognitive Theory and the brain being a Newtonian device was itself about.)

IConrad said...

As a side note; Roko, I think you missed the part where I posited that it would be possible to observe a psi-wave function without collapsing it -- and that this would be described as observation without interaction.

This in no way violates the principles of Quantum Mechanics. Think about it.

Roko said...

@Marika: I'm always keen to learn more about how religious texts influence people's behavior, and how texts can be interpreted.

There is a fairly simple problem [which I think doesn't require a very advanced understanding the bible or its interpretations] with the idea that Christians ought to help the poor.

If you believe in an afterlife, the best thing you can do to a poor person is kill them. God will sort the rest out - if they deserve it, they will go to heaven, which is better than any possible life they could have here on earth. The Roman Catholics are doing this quite effectively in africa.

The above is what I was trying to get at. ;-)

Roko said...

@Iconrad:

Sorry, I'm declaring a moratorium on QM. No more comments about the principles of quantum mechanics please. :-)

Roko said...

@Iconrad:

"It is possible to observe the location of a molecule without knowing the location of all particles within it. In molecular scale, the quantum uncertainty principle effectively does not exist."

Effectively does not exist!? No, the uncertainty principle is still at work.

"I was positing that you only need a molecular-resolution scan to accurately reproduce a human brain."

The laws of physics are the same whether you are considering a molecule, a quark or a planet: you cannot measure ANY system without collapsing it's wavefunction. Now, a neuron is large enough that you can know what you need to know about it without the uncertainty principle getting in the way. But you will still entangle your own wavefunction with its wavefunction when you make that measurement, so you are affecting your own past, which leaves you open to the grandfather paradox.

IConrad said...

Roko: No more QM is understandable. :)


That being said... the uncertainty principle factors out at the Newtonian scale and I'm certain that you know this. Molecules exist at the lower bound of the Newtonian scale.

This mechanically means that while the 'grandfather paradox' still potentially exists (when we're talking multiple-membrane interaction, that's simply an unknown quantity), it is self-resolving at Newtonian-scale interaction/observation.

Truthfully speaking, I think that your thinking here might be subject to a tiny bit of Déformation professionnelle. I'll explain what I mean by making one statement: What are the theorems governing membrane-to-membrane interactions?

Arcturus Gregory said...

There is a certain irony in using current science to determine what people in the future might be able to do. If science progresses, which I hope we agree it should, then the actual theories of science will change. New phenomena, new theories, and -new contexts for determining feasibility-.
I certainly agree we should avoid self-delusion, and that's why we use the best existing theories to solve the problems that face us in the present. On the other hand, when it comes to thinking about what people in the future might be able to do, we are contemplating an unknown, something that by definition is outside of current science.
However, one guide to what people in the future might be able to do, is thinking about what people in the future might *want* to try to learn how to do. Because humans have a history of figuring out how to do things they want to do, even if they are extravagantly unlikely (like *flying*).
But as we look into the most distant future, as Arthur C. Clarke said, we could reasonably extrapolate human technology evolving into something that would resemble "magic" today. This could be true even if the road between then and now is formed by incremental, empirical chains of research and development programs.

Eugene said...

I wrote something similar about transhumanism in some of my blog-posts labeled "transhumanism".

Tell me what you think:
http://zhenka11230.blogspot.com/

Thanks.

ZarPaulus said...

As I've stated in my own blog, I believe that an upload of a person would just be a copy unless the person was conscious during the process. Unfortunately no one but the original person would be able to tell the difference, and the original would probably be dead.